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	<title>Comments on: Andrew Gilligan: Greenwich Park Olympics Works Will Affect Park for Five Years</title>
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		<title>By: David Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that the traffic problems resulting from the use of Greenwich Park will be at least as serious as those within the Park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the traffic problems resulting from the use of Greenwich Park will be at least as serious as those within the Park.</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/02399-greenwich-park-olympics-works-will-affect-park-for-five-years/comment-page-1/#comment-12557</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heads up, people - the statutory consultation period that was opened on 15 December 2009 has quietly become &quot;not open&quot;.  See Council web site, planning area.  Trying to find out more information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heads up, people &#8211; the statutory consultation period that was opened on 15 December 2009 has quietly become &#8220;not open&#8221;.  See Council web site, planning area.  Trying to find out more information.</p>
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		<title>By: PLJAIKJ</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/02399-greenwich-park-olympics-works-will-affect-park-for-five-years/comment-page-1/#comment-12005</link>
		<dc:creator>PLJAIKJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does LOCOG resort to dirty tricks to report  on public support if their case for using Greenwich Park is justified?

Their survey has two major shortcomings: the unrepresentative sample and the hypothetical key question asked.

If, out of a sample of 1000 borough residents, only 14% of the sample lived near the Park, then the sample should have been weighted to represent more of the people who would be directly affected by these events.

The key question asked was hypothetical and convoluted - mentioning two &#039;what if&#039; situations and one (the benefits) assumed - means the response has to be qualified.  Moreover their planning application now acknowledges that some heritage features could be lost; so one of  the &#039;what ifs&#039; is not true. If the basic premise of the question is invalid, then the answer is equally invalid.

Taking account of Gareth Bacon&#039;s survey of residents of the town (68% opposed)and over 13,500 signatories to NOGOE&#039;s petition, the Nielsen result is not credible.  Nielsen is a third tier sponsor of the Games and, as its Vice President, Susan Whiting said, when the sponsorship was announced in June 2009: “Nielsen is pleased to partner with LOCOG in support of London 2012”.  LOCOG, however, claim that the research was “independently” conducted, although they have refused a request for the release of the questionnaire that Nielsen used.  Its release would have enabled other experts to assess whether the way in which Nielsen led up to the answer, on which its partner LOCOG now relies, resulted in  most of those questioned giving he “right” answer.  Nick Raynsford rubbished Gareth Bacon&#039;s survey as being politically motivated. What is LOCOG&#039;s survey if not politically motivated?  

Unless and until the questionnaire has been analysed, Nielsen’s conclusion, which is entirely against the weight of local protest, will no doubt be treated with scepticism by many, including hopefully the Planning Board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does LOCOG resort to dirty tricks to report  on public support if their case for using Greenwich Park is justified?</p>
<p>Their survey has two major shortcomings: the unrepresentative sample and the hypothetical key question asked.</p>
<p>If, out of a sample of 1000 borough residents, only 14% of the sample lived near the Park, then the sample should have been weighted to represent more of the people who would be directly affected by these events.</p>
<p>The key question asked was hypothetical and convoluted &#8211; mentioning two &#8216;what if&#8217; situations and one (the benefits) assumed &#8211; means the response has to be qualified.  Moreover their planning application now acknowledges that some heritage features could be lost; so one of  the &#8216;what ifs&#8217; is not true. If the basic premise of the question is invalid, then the answer is equally invalid.</p>
<p>Taking account of Gareth Bacon&#8217;s survey of residents of the town (68% opposed)and over 13,500 signatories to NOGOE&#8217;s petition, the Nielsen result is not credible.  Nielsen is a third tier sponsor of the Games and, as its Vice President, Susan Whiting said, when the sponsorship was announced in June 2009: “Nielsen is pleased to partner with LOCOG in support of London 2012”.  LOCOG, however, claim that the research was “independently” conducted, although they have refused a request for the release of the questionnaire that Nielsen used.  Its release would have enabled other experts to assess whether the way in which Nielsen led up to the answer, on which its partner LOCOG now relies, resulted in  most of those questioned giving he “right” answer.  Nick Raynsford rubbished Gareth Bacon&#8217;s survey as being politically motivated. What is LOCOG&#8217;s survey if not politically motivated?  </p>
<p>Unless and until the questionnaire has been analysed, Nielsen’s conclusion, which is entirely against the weight of local protest, will no doubt be treated with scepticism by many, including hopefully the Planning Board.</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/02399-greenwich-park-olympics-works-will-affect-park-for-five-years/comment-page-1/#comment-11708</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOCOG modus operandi.  It is evident from the planning application that LOCOG first identified the categories of data that they would find awkward and then took care not to collect it in 2009, while making fuzzy noises about collecting it in 2010 or later.

For example, finding bat ROOSTS within the Park could be a show-stopper; so the bat surveyors (a) started all their surveys far too late to see/hear any but the &quot;straggler&quot; bats returning to/leaving their roosts; (b) did not survey the northern part of the Park; and (c) did not conduct any survey at all during August, although the Bat Conservation Trust Survey Guidelines state (page 42) that &quot;August is an especially good month to observe maternity roost re-entry, as young flyers can be inexperienced and are often highly visible when returning to the roost&quot;.   Yet LOCOG&#039;s bat survey claims to have been done in accordance with BCT Survey Guidelines.  It was not.

Another example has to do with the stag beetle population in the Park.  In the LOCOG planning application, I have yet to find acknowledgement that the stag beetle is (a) rare, (b) globally threatened, and (c) protected by laws with very fierce penalties for breaching those laws.

Everyone needs to read LOCOG&#039;s planning application.  Start with an area about which you already have some knowledge and therefore can easily spot the omissions and sleights of hand.  The proposed wholesale destruction of habitat, insect life (with the application of insecticide) and the visible character of the Park is shocking.  All for two weeks of an elite sport, no legacy, at a cost of £42 million, and when there is at least one other suitable alternative venue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOCOG modus operandi.  It is evident from the planning application that LOCOG first identified the categories of data that they would find awkward and then took care not to collect it in 2009, while making fuzzy noises about collecting it in 2010 or later.</p>
<p>For example, finding bat ROOSTS within the Park could be a show-stopper; so the bat surveyors (a) started all their surveys far too late to see/hear any but the &#8220;straggler&#8221; bats returning to/leaving their roosts; (b) did not survey the northern part of the Park; and (c) did not conduct any survey at all during August, although the Bat Conservation Trust Survey Guidelines state (page 42) that &#8220;August is an especially good month to observe maternity roost re-entry, as young flyers can be inexperienced and are often highly visible when returning to the roost&#8221;.   Yet LOCOG&#8217;s bat survey claims to have been done in accordance with BCT Survey Guidelines.  It was not.</p>
<p>Another example has to do with the stag beetle population in the Park.  In the LOCOG planning application, I have yet to find acknowledgement that the stag beetle is (a) rare, (b) globally threatened, and (c) protected by laws with very fierce penalties for breaching those laws.</p>
<p>Everyone needs to read LOCOG&#8217;s planning application.  Start with an area about which you already have some knowledge and therefore can easily spot the omissions and sleights of hand.  The proposed wholesale destruction of habitat, insect life (with the application of insecticide) and the visible character of the Park is shocking.  All for two weeks of an elite sport, no legacy, at a cost of £42 million, and when there is at least one other suitable alternative venue.</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/02399-greenwich-park-olympics-works-will-affect-park-for-five-years/comment-page-1/#comment-11667</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is LOCOG still claiming that no trees will be cut down?  Why, then, in the &quot;Bat mitigation strategies&quot; (Appendix 11 I), does this statement appear:

&quot;The trunks or stems of any trees identified as having potential to support roosting bats would be sectioned and lowered to the ground, rather than clear felled, and left on site for at least 48 hours.&quot;

If you &quot;section&quot; the TRUNK or STEM of a tree, you are cutting it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is LOCOG still claiming that no trees will be cut down?  Why, then, in the &#8220;Bat mitigation strategies&#8221; (Appendix 11 I), does this statement appear:</p>
<p>&#8220;The trunks or stems of any trees identified as having potential to support roosting bats would be sectioned and lowered to the ground, rather than clear felled, and left on site for at least 48 hours.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you &#8220;section&#8221; the TRUNK or STEM of a tree, you are cutting it down.</p>
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		<title>By: LOCOG Respond to Andrew Gilligan &#124; Greenwich.co.uk</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/02399-greenwich-park-olympics-works-will-affect-park-for-five-years/comment-page-1/#comment-11543</link>
		<dc:creator>LOCOG Respond to Andrew Gilligan &#124; Greenwich.co.uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] LOCOG have issued the following statement to Greenwich.co.uk in response to Andrew Gilligan&#8217;s latest article. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul G</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/02399-greenwich-park-olympics-works-will-affect-park-for-five-years/comment-page-1/#comment-11508</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it shocking that &quot;loss or partial loss&quot; of heritage features can  even be considered in a World Heritage Site.  When I visited the LOCOG shop in Greenwich I  was told that rumours of possible damage to heritage features was scaremongering and would not happen under circumstances.  I wonder what other inaccuracies they shared with people who visited that little PR whitewash.  
In NIck Raynsford&#039;s letter he states
&quot;claims that the park and its flora and archaeological heritage will suffer serious damage are unfounded.&quot;
So where are they drawing the line between &quot;loss or partial loss&quot; and serious damage? When is a heritage loss not &quot;serious&quot;
And all for something they finally admit is a specialist sport  (anybody with even a passing interest in the equestrian has now been  interviewed singing the praises of LOCOG in Greenwich Time)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it shocking that &#8220;loss or partial loss&#8221; of heritage features can  even be considered in a World Heritage Site.  When I visited the LOCOG shop in Greenwich I  was told that rumours of possible damage to heritage features was scaremongering and would not happen under circumstances.  I wonder what other inaccuracies they shared with people who visited that little PR whitewash.<br />
In NIck Raynsford&#8217;s letter he states<br />
&#8220;claims that the park and its flora and archaeological heritage will suffer serious damage are unfounded.&#8221;<br />
So where are they drawing the line between &#8220;loss or partial loss&#8221; and serious damage? When is a heritage loss not &#8220;serious&#8221;<br />
And all for something they finally admit is a specialist sport  (anybody with even a passing interest in the equestrian has now been  interviewed singing the praises of LOCOG in Greenwich Time)</p>
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		<title>By: PB</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/02399-greenwich-park-olympics-works-will-affect-park-for-five-years/comment-page-1/#comment-11507</link>
		<dc:creator>PB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your thorough vigilance and journalistic integrity. My children and family love this park. It is part of our lifeblood. And everyone else&#039;s, if only they stepped with aching hips from the anti-social armour of their cars. One of the lungs of London, as I believe Charles Dickens called the park, is at risk of collapse. Time to take a deep breath and stop it, I suspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your thorough vigilance and journalistic integrity. My children and family love this park. It is part of our lifeblood. And everyone else&#8217;s, if only they stepped with aching hips from the anti-social armour of their cars. One of the lungs of London, as I believe Charles Dickens called the park, is at risk of collapse. Time to take a deep breath and stop it, I suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Church Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Church Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the ones who said the park would just be closed for a few weeks in 2012 seem to have gone quiet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the ones who said the park would just be closed for a few weeks in 2012 seem to have gone quiet.</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/02399-greenwich-park-olympics-works-will-affect-park-for-five-years/comment-page-1/#comment-11495</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which suited yobbish salary-man/placeman (or woman) dreamed up &quot;Preserved by record&quot;!!

The scale of the proposed destruction of habitat in the Park is horrifying - what use is &quot;preserved by record&quot; habitat to the insects, bats and small animals?  

Where, in the World Heritage Site criteria 

http://whc.unesco.org/en/criteria

does &quot;preserved by record&quot; appear - it does NOT!

It is evident that LOCOG has laid lie upon lie upon lie on everyone from equestrians to local residents to MPs and civil servants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which suited yobbish salary-man/placeman (or woman) dreamed up &#8220;Preserved by record&#8221;!!</p>
<p>The scale of the proposed destruction of habitat in the Park is horrifying &#8211; what use is &#8220;preserved by record&#8221; habitat to the insects, bats and small animals?  </p>
<p>Where, in the World Heritage Site criteria </p>
<p><a href="http://whc.unesco.org/en/criteria" rel="nofollow">http://whc.unesco.org/en/criteria</a></p>
<p>does &#8220;preserved by record&#8221; appear &#8211; it does NOT!</p>
<p>It is evident that LOCOG has laid lie upon lie upon lie on everyone from equestrians to local residents to MPs and civil servants.</p>
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