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	<title>Comments on: Town Centre Pedestrianisation: Modest Benefits, Big Drawbacks</title>
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		<title>By: jack</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/02483-town-centre-pedestrianisation/comment-page-1/#comment-20390</link>
		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Andrew
If you think Greenwich Councl&#039;s consultations are rigged you should have a butchers at East Hampshire District Council&#039;s efforts to double the size of Whitehill Bordon with 4-5000 houses by calling it an eco-town- in reality a stitch up to maximise profits on an MoD land sell off.  All on speculative aspiration with the help of  highly paid consultants of course.  They falsely claim &#039;community support&#039; just to tick that box, but we know most people in the town are opposed.  See www.baaga.co.uk for more info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Andrew<br />
If you think Greenwich Councl&#8217;s consultations are rigged you should have a butchers at East Hampshire District Council&#8217;s efforts to double the size of Whitehill Bordon with 4-5000 houses by calling it an eco-town- in reality a stitch up to maximise profits on an MoD land sell off.  All on speculative aspiration with the help of  highly paid consultants of course.  They falsely claim &#8216;community support&#8217; just to tick that box, but we know most people in the town are opposed.  See <a href="http://www.baaga.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.baaga.co.uk</a> for more info.</p>
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		<title>By: Greenwich pedestrianisation &#8211; council consultant drops clanger &#171; 853</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenwich pedestrianisation &#8211; council consultant drops clanger &#171; 853</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in Eltham town centre. A recent commenter on this site, the Greenwich Phantom and on greenwich.co.uk, &#8220;ME&#8221; of Deptford, reported he&#8217;d been using the title of &#8220;&#8216;L B [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in Eltham town centre. A recent commenter on this site, the Greenwich Phantom and on greenwich.co.uk, &#8220;ME&#8221; of Deptford, reported he&#8217;d been using the title of &#8220;&#8216;L B [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Cat</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/02483-town-centre-pedestrianisation/comment-page-1/#comment-18997</link>
		<dc:creator>Fat Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RUSSELL 

Hardly NIMBYISM.  The roads mentioned would see an INCREASE in rat running (as happens whenever South Street is closed).  The congestion would only be eased in an area which is non residential.   Basically local tax payers would suffer so that non tax payers could benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RUSSELL </p>
<p>Hardly NIMBYISM.  The roads mentioned would see an INCREASE in rat running (as happens whenever South Street is closed).  The congestion would only be eased in an area which is non residential.   Basically local tax payers would suffer so that non tax payers could benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: ME</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/02483-town-centre-pedestrianisation/comment-page-1/#comment-18985</link>
		<dc:creator>ME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Deptford resident who&#039;s child crosses Norman Road every day to get to school - along with parents and children from at least 4 primary schools and 3 secondary schools - I was shocked and dismayed by this proposal.  Many of my complaints have already been picked up by others - but I would like to raise one incredible development.

I wrote to councillors and to the council to object and was ultimately refered to a man called Brian Hanson whose title is &#039;L B Greenwich Commission Director&#039; and whose employer is Hyder Consulting - the people who will, most likely, be invoved in building the gyratory system.  At best - this is the tail wagging the dog, at worst, well, you fill in the blanks.  Mr Hanson patronisingly told me that I had probably only seen the old plans (let me tell you - it isn&#039;t that straight forward finding the relevent place to comment online) and that most of my complaints had been covered by recent updates - though he fails to answer any of my complaints specifically.

Most of the parents at my daughter&#039;s school had not heard of these plans as of the 12th of July 2010 and at tleast 90% live right in the middle of the scheme.  Funny that.  Those that support the scheme support the lovely-ness of small respite of pedestrian area - the beneficiaries of which seem to be tourists, residents of that small area and patrons of Rhodes Bakery... While the regular folks like me who take their kids to school, ride their cycles to work or take buses have been completely left out of the equation.  I guess that makes me a Nimby... go figure...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Deptford resident who&#8217;s child crosses Norman Road every day to get to school &#8211; along with parents and children from at least 4 primary schools and 3 secondary schools &#8211; I was shocked and dismayed by this proposal.  Many of my complaints have already been picked up by others &#8211; but I would like to raise one incredible development.</p>
<p>I wrote to councillors and to the council to object and was ultimately refered to a man called Brian Hanson whose title is &#8216;L B Greenwich Commission Director&#8217; and whose employer is Hyder Consulting &#8211; the people who will, most likely, be invoved in building the gyratory system.  At best &#8211; this is the tail wagging the dog, at worst, well, you fill in the blanks.  Mr Hanson patronisingly told me that I had probably only seen the old plans (let me tell you &#8211; it isn&#8217;t that straight forward finding the relevent place to comment online) and that most of my complaints had been covered by recent updates &#8211; though he fails to answer any of my complaints specifically.</p>
<p>Most of the parents at my daughter&#8217;s school had not heard of these plans as of the 12th of July 2010 and at tleast 90% live right in the middle of the scheme.  Funny that.  Those that support the scheme support the lovely-ness of small respite of pedestrian area &#8211; the beneficiaries of which seem to be tourists, residents of that small area and patrons of Rhodes Bakery&#8230; While the regular folks like me who take their kids to school, ride their cycles to work or take buses have been completely left out of the equation.  I guess that makes me a Nimby&#8230; go figure&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DAVID LONGHURST 

There are loads of residents who &#039;suffer&#039; from rat-running - around Trafalgar Road, Humber Road, Westcomebe Park Road to name but three. And there are families and young children everywhere! - jeez - NIMBYISM at its worst.

Why should your precious road be protected so that everyone else has to sit in traffic jams? I support the plans - if they prove to ease congestion. If speed restrictions are ignored (which they pretty much are everywhere - 20mph zone??) then maybe something should be done about that instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DAVID LONGHURST </p>
<p>There are loads of residents who &#8216;suffer&#8217; from rat-running &#8211; around Trafalgar Road, Humber Road, Westcomebe Park Road to name but three. And there are families and young children everywhere! &#8211; jeez &#8211; NIMBYISM at its worst.</p>
<p>Why should your precious road be protected so that everyone else has to sit in traffic jams? I support the plans &#8211; if they prove to ease congestion. If speed restrictions are ignored (which they pretty much are everywhere &#8211; 20mph zone??) then maybe something should be done about that instead.</p>
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		<title>By: DAVID LONGHURST</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAVID LONGHURST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own concern is a significant increase in &#039;rat running&#039; in the narrow roads around Circus Street. Current. speed restrictions are already ignored - essentially late afternoons onwards - surprising that there have been no serious incidents already. Increasingly the  area is home to families with young children and my fear is for them as they grow up and become more independent and adventurous. 

It would be more appropriate to make Circus Street one way from Brand Street to Greenwich South Street thereby cutting off the &#039;rat run&#039; in the evenings. Further it amazes me that Gloucester Circus continues to be a &#039;free for all&#039; traffic island. Surely &#039;keep to the left &#039; would be safer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own concern is a significant increase in &#8216;rat running&#8217; in the narrow roads around Circus Street. Current. speed restrictions are already ignored &#8211; essentially late afternoons onwards &#8211; surprising that there have been no serious incidents already. Increasingly the  area is home to families with young children and my fear is for them as they grow up and become more independent and adventurous. </p>
<p>It would be more appropriate to make Circus Street one way from Brand Street to Greenwich South Street thereby cutting off the &#8216;rat run&#8217; in the evenings. Further it amazes me that Gloucester Circus continues to be a &#8216;free for all&#8217; traffic island. Surely &#8216;keep to the left &#8216; would be safer.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Greenwich pedestrianisation exhibition &#171; 853</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Greenwich pedestrianisation exhibition &#171; 853</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 07:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] put in a Freedom of Information Act request, which he put he published as a comment at the foot of this Andrew Gilligan column on greenwich.co.uk in March. The initial consultation process has confirmed that almost 90% of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] put in a Freedom of Information Act request, which he put he published as a comment at the foot of this Andrew Gilligan column on greenwich.co.uk in March. The initial consultation process has confirmed that almost 90% of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marcelo Affonso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcelo Affonso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 05:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>look at any pedestrianised town centres (Woolwich, Lewisham, Datford) they all become no-go-areas  one the shops close- don&#039;t miss  the public consultation and do not allow these planning barbarians to destroy the town Centre -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>look at any pedestrianised town centres (Woolwich, Lewisham, Datford) they all become no-go-areas  one the shops close- don&#8217;t miss  the public consultation and do not allow these planning barbarians to destroy the town Centre -</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Acty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Acty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Acty, 

Request for information RFI/01950 

I refer to your email dated 22nd February 2010 in which you asked: 
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Following on from my email dated 17 Feb 2010, can you please provide a response with regards to the Pedestrianisation of Greenwich Town Centre.  As a concerned resident of Greenwich I am keen to find out what the initial findings of the Councils consultations are as the report was due to be published on 16 Feb 2010. Can you please provide the recommendations that were made following this consultation, along with an update on the future plans for this project I would be grateful.
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The initial consultation process has confirmed that almost 90% of those who replied support the principle of improving the town centre environment. 

Further, nearly 80 % agree that pedestrianisation of College Approach, King William Walk (part) and Greenwich Church Street (part) is an appropriate way forward.

Of those who support pedestrianisation around 70% prefer the gyratory concept to the idea of a T junction at Nelson Road/Greenwich Church Street.

Following these returns officers are developing more detailed plans about how best to design a gyratory scheme incorporating the views and opinions expressed, it is anticipated that a further consultation will take place on this more detailed proposal in the summer of this year.


Yours sincerely, 

Sinéad Cuffy-Dillon. 
Freedom of Information 
London Borough of Greenwich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Acty, </p>
<p>Request for information RFI/01950 </p>
<p>I refer to your email dated 22nd February 2010 in which you asked:<br />
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Following on from my email dated 17 Feb 2010, can you please provide a response with regards to the Pedestrianisation of Greenwich Town Centre.  As a concerned resident of Greenwich I am keen to find out what the initial findings of the Councils consultations are as the report was due to be published on 16 Feb 2010. Can you please provide the recommendations that were made following this consultation, along with an update on the future plans for this project I would be grateful.<br />
~</p>
<p>The initial consultation process has confirmed that almost 90% of those who replied support the principle of improving the town centre environment. </p>
<p>Further, nearly 80 % agree that pedestrianisation of College Approach, King William Walk (part) and Greenwich Church Street (part) is an appropriate way forward.</p>
<p>Of those who support pedestrianisation around 70% prefer the gyratory concept to the idea of a T junction at Nelson Road/Greenwich Church Street.</p>
<p>Following these returns officers are developing more detailed plans about how best to design a gyratory scheme incorporating the views and opinions expressed, it is anticipated that a further consultation will take place on this more detailed proposal in the summer of this year.</p>
<p>Yours sincerely, </p>
<p>Sinéad Cuffy-Dillon.<br />
Freedom of Information<br />
London Borough of Greenwich</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Acty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Acty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, the results of the consultation were due to be release on 16th Feb. I emailed the Council on 17th to find out the initial results and have had no response to my request.

I have since sent another request to find out what is happening and received a receipt informing me that the point of contact&#039;s mailbox is full.

Have you any further information on these proposals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, the results of the consultation were due to be release on 16th Feb. I emailed the Council on 17th to find out the initial results and have had no response to my request.</p>
<p>I have since sent another request to find out what is happening and received a receipt informing me that the point of contact&#8217;s mailbox is full.</p>
<p>Have you any further information on these proposals?</p>
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