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		<title>By: David Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/foot-tunnel-closure/comment-page-1/#comment-9178</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a lad living in Greenwich, the foot tunnel was much used as an underground refuge for snogging couples.  I can picture it now, couples lining the walls at discreet intervals, steamily wrapped around each other in the dim light.

If that is still one of the functions of the tunnel, it is obviously not an activity that can satisfactorily be performed on a ferry.  Will the London Borough of Greenwich be providing suitable alternative arrangements for such couples?  Would these be free, or would carnets and season tickets be required?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a lad living in Greenwich, the foot tunnel was much used as an underground refuge for snogging couples.  I can picture it now, couples lining the walls at discreet intervals, steamily wrapped around each other in the dim light.</p>
<p>If that is still one of the functions of the tunnel, it is obviously not an activity that can satisfactorily be performed on a ferry.  Will the London Borough of Greenwich be providing suitable alternative arrangements for such couples?  Would these be free, or would carnets and season tickets be required?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Crispin</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/foot-tunnel-closure/comment-page-1/#comment-7733</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Crispin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The foot tunnels are still open, although the lifts are ill-maintained and are frequently closed (in the 175 days to 24 June the South lift had broken down 181 times!).

Greenwich Council will need to give plenty of notice before closing the tunnels as they are public highways, and unless a free ferry service is laid on local cycling groups will object to their closure forcing a public enquiry.

The best place to be kept up to date about the proposed closure of the Greenwich and Woolwich Foot Tunnels is the Greenwich Cyclists&#039; Website:
http://www.greenwichcyclists.org.uk/index.php?catid=9&amp;blogid=1


The Mayor of London seems particularly disinterested in the tunnels&#039; proposed closure:

*Written Answers to Questions about Cycling - Mayors Question Time
21/5/09. *

*Closure of Greenwich Foot Tunnel [1]*

*Question No: 1105 / 2009*

Caroline Pidgeon

Since the Greenwich Foot Tunnel is due to be closed for 18 months from
next year for lifts to be replaced, and some 415 cyclists were recently
logged using the Tunnel between 7am and 9.30am, what plans does TfL have
for getting these cyclists across the river to work during the closure?

*Answer from the Mayor:*

The London Borough of Greenwich is responsible for the foot tunnel and
is considering what alternative arrangements should be put in place
during the replacement of the lifts. London Borough of Greenwich
officers are in contact with Thames Clippers regarding their plans for
alternative river crossing arrangements during the period of closure.
TfL is available to provide advice to Greenwich if requested.

*Closure of Greenwich Foot Tunnel [2]*

*Question No: 1106 / 2009*

Caroline Pidgeon

During the 18 months of the planned Greenwich Foot Tunnel closure, will
you consider operating a ferry service across the river for pedestrians
and cyclists?

*Answer from the Mayor:*

The London Borough of Greenwich is responsible for the foot tunnel and
is considering what alternative arrangements should be put in place
during the replacement of the lifts. London Borough of Greenwich
officers are in contact with Thames Clippers regarding their plans for
alternative river crossing arrangements during the period of closure.
TfL is available to provide advice to Greenwich if requested.

*

*Closure of Greenwich Foot Tunnel [3]*

*Question No: 1107 / 2009*

Caroline Pidgeon

During the period when the Greenwich Foot Tunnel is closed for
renovations, will you explore the possibility of either organising a
free boat ferry for pedestrians and cyclists between Greenwich and the
Isle of Dogs or subsidising free travel for them on the Thames Clipper
service between the piers at Cutty Sark and Masthouse Terrace?

*Answer from the Mayor:*

The provision and funding of alternative arrangements during the closure
of the Greenwich foot tunnel is a matter for the London Borough of
Greenwich who is carrying out this work.

Please refer to my answer to question 1106/2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The foot tunnels are still open, although the lifts are ill-maintained and are frequently closed (in the 175 days to 24 June the South lift had broken down 181 times!).</p>
<p>Greenwich Council will need to give plenty of notice before closing the tunnels as they are public highways, and unless a free ferry service is laid on local cycling groups will object to their closure forcing a public enquiry.</p>
<p>The best place to be kept up to date about the proposed closure of the Greenwich and Woolwich Foot Tunnels is the Greenwich Cyclists&#8217; Website:<br />
<a href="http://www.greenwichcyclists.org.uk/index.php?catid=9&amp;blogid=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenwichcyclists.org.uk/index.php?catid=9&amp;blogid=1</a></p>
<p>The Mayor of London seems particularly disinterested in the tunnels&#8217; proposed closure:</p>
<p>*Written Answers to Questions about Cycling &#8211; Mayors Question Time<br />
21/5/09. *</p>
<p>*Closure of Greenwich Foot Tunnel [1]*</p>
<p>*Question No: 1105 / 2009*</p>
<p>Caroline Pidgeon</p>
<p>Since the Greenwich Foot Tunnel is due to be closed for 18 months from<br />
next year for lifts to be replaced, and some 415 cyclists were recently<br />
logged using the Tunnel between 7am and 9.30am, what plans does TfL have<br />
for getting these cyclists across the river to work during the closure?</p>
<p>*Answer from the Mayor:*</p>
<p>The London Borough of Greenwich is responsible for the foot tunnel and<br />
is considering what alternative arrangements should be put in place<br />
during the replacement of the lifts. London Borough of Greenwich<br />
officers are in contact with Thames Clippers regarding their plans for<br />
alternative river crossing arrangements during the period of closure.<br />
TfL is available to provide advice to Greenwich if requested.</p>
<p>*Closure of Greenwich Foot Tunnel [2]*</p>
<p>*Question No: 1106 / 2009*</p>
<p>Caroline Pidgeon</p>
<p>During the 18 months of the planned Greenwich Foot Tunnel closure, will<br />
you consider operating a ferry service across the river for pedestrians<br />
and cyclists?</p>
<p>*Answer from the Mayor:*</p>
<p>The London Borough of Greenwich is responsible for the foot tunnel and<br />
is considering what alternative arrangements should be put in place<br />
during the replacement of the lifts. London Borough of Greenwich<br />
officers are in contact with Thames Clippers regarding their plans for<br />
alternative river crossing arrangements during the period of closure.<br />
TfL is available to provide advice to Greenwich if requested.</p>
<p>*</p>
<p>*Closure of Greenwich Foot Tunnel [3]*</p>
<p>*Question No: 1107 / 2009*</p>
<p>Caroline Pidgeon</p>
<p>During the period when the Greenwich Foot Tunnel is closed for<br />
renovations, will you explore the possibility of either organising a<br />
free boat ferry for pedestrians and cyclists between Greenwich and the<br />
Isle of Dogs or subsidising free travel for them on the Thames Clipper<br />
service between the piers at Cutty Sark and Masthouse Terrace?</p>
<p>*Answer from the Mayor:*</p>
<p>The provision and funding of alternative arrangements during the closure<br />
of the Greenwich foot tunnel is a matter for the London Borough of<br />
Greenwich who is carrying out this work.</p>
<p>Please refer to my answer to question 1106/2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob M</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/foot-tunnel-closure/comment-page-1/#comment-7594</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So.  Can anyone tell me if the tunnel is actually closed or not, right now?

The council website contradicts itself on the subject, and when I spoke to their helpline I got the impressive response:  &quot;sorry, we don&#039;t know&quot;.

given that the DLR is off this weekend, as is the Jubilee line, it&#039;s the only option save swimming.  I have no intention of trekking down to Island Gardens only to find it shut...

So:  is it open right now or not??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So.  Can anyone tell me if the tunnel is actually closed or not, right now?</p>
<p>The council website contradicts itself on the subject, and when I spoke to their helpline I got the impressive response:  &#8220;sorry, we don&#8217;t know&#8221;.</p>
<p>given that the DLR is off this weekend, as is the Jubilee line, it&#8217;s the only option save swimming.  I have no intention of trekking down to Island Gardens only to find it shut&#8230;</p>
<p>So:  is it open right now or not??</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Cat</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/foot-tunnel-closure/comment-page-1/#comment-7552</link>
		<dc:creator>Fat Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt the ferry would be running at 6am though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt the ferry would be running at 6am though.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek B</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/foot-tunnel-closure/comment-page-1/#comment-7530</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody

I would imagine that the foot tunnel WILL close, regardless of any protests made. 
Therefore, is it not best to accept this and rather look to mitigation?
For instance, imagine the situation where there was a frequent replacement ferry. This would be preferable to the existing foot-funnel with it&#039;s oft closed lifts, especially for people with bicycles. Think about it: carry bike down stairs, wheel bike down tunnel, carry bike up other stairs; OR get on ground level ferry, rest bike, get off ferry other side.
 So why not devote protest energies towards getting a frequent ferry (and &quot;frequent&quot; is, of course, essential) rather than trying to resist a fait accompli.

Makes sense to me or am I talking Winnie the **** ?

Derek B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody</p>
<p>I would imagine that the foot tunnel WILL close, regardless of any protests made.<br />
Therefore, is it not best to accept this and rather look to mitigation?<br />
For instance, imagine the situation where there was a frequent replacement ferry. This would be preferable to the existing foot-funnel with it&#8217;s oft closed lifts, especially for people with bicycles. Think about it: carry bike down stairs, wheel bike down tunnel, carry bike up other stairs; OR get on ground level ferry, rest bike, get off ferry other side.<br />
 So why not devote protest energies towards getting a frequent ferry (and &#8220;frequent&#8221; is, of course, essential) rather than trying to resist a fait accompli.</p>
<p>Makes sense to me or am I talking Winnie the **** ?</p>
<p>Derek B</p>
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		<title>By: Janiene C. Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/foot-tunnel-closure/comment-page-1/#comment-7464</link>
		<dc:creator>Janiene C. Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live south of the river and my boyfriend lives in Newham, so I frequently use the Greenwich Foot Tunnel to walk backwards and forwards between mine and my boyfriends house - my boyfriend cycles between our houses and he too uses the foot tunnel - free of charge - I am currently unemployed.  The beauty of the foot tunnel is the unlimited freedome to cross the river without payment and also the non-restrictive freedom to cross without having to wait for unreliable methods of transport.  Whilst I didn&#039;t realise that there is a ferry which crosses between Greenwich and Island Gardens, a ferry service between the foot tunnel needs to become operational if the tunnel should close, in order to meet the demand to get across the river without having to pay.  We don&#039;t all have plenty of money to pay for the DLR to get across the river!  I hope Boris Johnson reads these comments and takes heed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live south of the river and my boyfriend lives in Newham, so I frequently use the Greenwich Foot Tunnel to walk backwards and forwards between mine and my boyfriends house &#8211; my boyfriend cycles between our houses and he too uses the foot tunnel &#8211; free of charge &#8211; I am currently unemployed.  The beauty of the foot tunnel is the unlimited freedome to cross the river without payment and also the non-restrictive freedom to cross without having to wait for unreliable methods of transport.  Whilst I didn&#8217;t realise that there is a ferry which crosses between Greenwich and Island Gardens, a ferry service between the foot tunnel needs to become operational if the tunnel should close, in order to meet the demand to get across the river without having to pay.  We don&#8217;t all have plenty of money to pay for the DLR to get across the river!  I hope Boris Johnson reads these comments and takes heed!</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/foot-tunnel-closure/comment-page-1/#comment-5210</link>
		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TJB

I was unaware of this feery service, do you have any  more detaisl please? 

I am not interested in the arguments above, I just want to be able to cycle to work at the Wharf. I t will be a greaat pity if the tunnel is shut, even for a week.

Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJB</p>
<p>I was unaware of this feery service, do you have any  more detaisl please? </p>
<p>I am not interested in the arguments above, I just want to be able to cycle to work at the Wharf. I t will be a greaat pity if the tunnel is shut, even for a week.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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		<title>By: TJB</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/foot-tunnel-closure/comment-page-1/#comment-4428</link>
		<dc:creator>TJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 19:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why it hasn&#039;t been noted that there is already a ferry service which carries bikes from Greenwich pier to Masthouse (which is pretty close to Island Gardens) and Canary Wharf. It runs every twenty minutes and I am sure the operator would run more boats if demand could be proved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why it hasn&#8217;t been noted that there is already a ferry service which carries bikes from Greenwich pier to Masthouse (which is pretty close to Island Gardens) and Canary Wharf. It runs every twenty minutes and I am sure the operator would run more boats if demand could be proved.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/foot-tunnel-closure/comment-page-1/#comment-4419</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest if no-one else has ... Greenwich / Tower Hamlets should co-opt the DLR to allow free transport from Island Gardens to Cutty Sark during the closure.  I know this does not help cyclists, but it will at least keep the foot traffic alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest if no-one else has &#8230; Greenwich / Tower Hamlets should co-opt the DLR to allow free transport from Island Gardens to Cutty Sark during the closure.  I know this does not help cyclists, but it will at least keep the foot traffic alive.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 12:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s a really great link. v interesting to see what is actually being planned rather than the uninteresting products of people&#039;s fevered imaginations.

One thing that struck me was the suggestion that:

&quot;In time to come, there will be another footbridge [across the Thames] running from the O2, but not in time for this project.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s a really great link. v interesting to see what is actually being planned rather than the uninteresting products of people&#8217;s fevered imaginations.</p>
<p>One thing that struck me was the suggestion that:</p>
<p>&#8220;In time to come, there will be another footbridge [across the Thames] running from the O2, but not in time for this project.&#8221;</p>
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