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		<title>By: Margaret Dinkeldein</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/taxing-times/comment-page-1/#comment-24677</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret Dinkeldein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have heard this week that Greenwich Council is planning to completely axe its annual grant of £73K to the Blackheath Halls, a wonderful, vibrant local amenity that provides for hundreds of people of all ages and tastes in music,  and the arts generally. This cut would severely threaten the viability of the Blackheath Halls as a community enterprise.
 When I read that the wretched propaganda weekly, Greenwich Time, is probably costing in excess of four times this amount, it makes my blood boil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have heard this week that Greenwich Council is planning to completely axe its annual grant of £73K to the Blackheath Halls, a wonderful, vibrant local amenity that provides for hundreds of people of all ages and tastes in music,  and the arts generally. This cut would severely threaten the viability of the Blackheath Halls as a community enterprise.<br />
 When I read that the wretched propaganda weekly, Greenwich Time, is probably costing in excess of four times this amount, it makes my blood boil.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Norwell</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/taxing-times/comment-page-1/#comment-1555</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Norwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a pity Greenwich Council has given the go-ahead for a fairly high rise development on Kings Highway. This very dense housing plan is virtually on Plumstead Common. Its design is inappropriate and had been variously described as ‘soulless’ and a ‘concrete monster’. Some lessons of history, it seems, are not learned. The number of failures of dense and high rise estates in the past should alert us all – and especially planners and architects – to the dangers of rushing into ‘quick-fix’ solutions. 

Of course, homes that are decent places to live in are needed. But the number of empty homes how standing empty in England stands at nearly a million. Were we not so city obsessed, we could all have a home and garden. There is in excess of 50m acres of cultivatable land in the UK – that’s approximately enough for 2 acres or so for each family/home.

The green spaces, commons, woods and parks are what make Greenwich a lovely to place to live in. These spaces – especially the Commons – have been preserved largely because of pressure from generations of working people throughout the Borough and sometimes even elsewhere. The Plumstead Common Act was pivotal in ensuring the continuance of Common Land and the rights of people to enjoy them.

So many Local Authorities have made the mistake of allowing development on green spaces, playing fields and other areas of natural interest and they and their communities are now paying the price. Perhaps we should vigorously oppose encroachment onto Common Land and be aware of the upcoming plans for building on what open spaces are left around us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a pity Greenwich Council has given the go-ahead for a fairly high rise development on Kings Highway. This very dense housing plan is virtually on Plumstead Common. Its design is inappropriate and had been variously described as ‘soulless’ and a ‘concrete monster’. Some lessons of history, it seems, are not learned. The number of failures of dense and high rise estates in the past should alert us all – and especially planners and architects – to the dangers of rushing into ‘quick-fix’ solutions. </p>
<p>Of course, homes that are decent places to live in are needed. But the number of empty homes how standing empty in England stands at nearly a million. Were we not so city obsessed, we could all have a home and garden. There is in excess of 50m acres of cultivatable land in the UK – that’s approximately enough for 2 acres or so for each family/home.</p>
<p>The green spaces, commons, woods and parks are what make Greenwich a lovely to place to live in. These spaces – especially the Commons – have been preserved largely because of pressure from generations of working people throughout the Borough and sometimes even elsewhere. The Plumstead Common Act was pivotal in ensuring the continuance of Common Land and the rights of people to enjoy them.</p>
<p>So many Local Authorities have made the mistake of allowing development on green spaces, playing fields and other areas of natural interest and they and their communities are now paying the price. Perhaps we should vigorously oppose encroachment onto Common Land and be aware of the upcoming plans for building on what open spaces are left around us.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul T</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/taxing-times/comment-page-1/#comment-1157</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew&#039;s point that Greenwich TIme achieves precisely the opposite of what it sets out to do, is spot on. 

i can&#039;t imagine anyone who&#039;s not on the payroll actually reading the thing, and from what I can tell, as propaganda it&#039;s completely counter-productive. And, as mentioned earlier, that £298k is nothing like the total of the costs it incurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew&#8217;s point that Greenwich TIme achieves precisely the opposite of what it sets out to do, is spot on. </p>
<p>i can&#8217;t imagine anyone who&#8217;s not on the payroll actually reading the thing, and from what I can tell, as propaganda it&#8217;s completely counter-productive. And, as mentioned earlier, that £298k is nothing like the total of the costs it incurs.</p>
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		<title>By: A spot of Greenwich Timing &#171; 853</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/taxing-times/comment-page-1/#comment-1079</link>
		<dc:creator>A spot of Greenwich Timing &#171; 853</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#187;  Slightly late to this, but if you&#8217;ve enjoyed watching snowball fights, here&#8217;s Andrew Gilligan picking up a yellowing lump and lobbing it at Greenwich Time, Greenwich Council&#8217;s laughable weekly propaganda sheet [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &raquo;  Slightly late to this, but if you&#8217;ve enjoyed watching snowball fights, here&#8217;s Andrew Gilligan picking up a yellowing lump and lobbing it at Greenwich Time, Greenwich Council&#8217;s laughable weekly propaganda sheet [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Political Animal</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/taxing-times/comment-page-1/#comment-1078</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Animal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So linking to a website that makes it clear that I am a member of the Labour Party isn&#039;t enough of a declaration of interest? Would you like me to put a red rosette on each of my comments, Senator McCarthy? I&#039;m just checking my conscience as to what else I should declare. Shamefully, I had a flick through the copy of GT that was on my doormat when I got in from uni just now. Corrupt individual that I am, I quite enjoyed Tony Lord&#039;s column about the experiences of a student nurse in 1946. As you&#039;ve looked at my blog, I&#039;m surprised you haven&#039;t noticed the worst conflict of interest going, however. As a guinea pig owner/slave, I benefit financially from the provision of 6 sheets of council tax payer funded unstapled newspaper through my door each week. Saves me buying the Evening Standard. There you go, full disclosure.

If I&#039;m going to be portrayed as an uncritical defender of GT, I&#039;ll play the role. This week&#039;s paper contains two and a half pages of planning notices, a bit over a page worth of traffic and licensing notices and a page worth of council job adverts, all of which would have to be paid to be published somewhere else at some cost. Then there&#039;s five page of council house listings, which do need to be available weekly, so would need to be printed anyway. There are three private sector adverts, and some of the money for the PCT&#039;s supplement on busting MMR myths will have come from outside the borough, although obviously it will be public money from somewhere else. I&#039;d have thought that lot would go at least a little way towards covering the cost of publication, especially at today&#039;s advertising rates rather than 2003&#039;s. Am now switching off uncritical support for GT mode - thanks for the bung, Cllr Roberts.

I&#039;ll admit to only having read Hammersmith and Tower Hamlet&#039;s comparable publications, but I&#039;m afraid I&#039;d disagree that they are any less Pravda-esque than GT. A paper published by a council&#039;s executive (of whatever colour) simply isn&#039;t going to carry critical news, hence my suggestion for cross-party, backbench editorial overview. I&#039;m pretty new to Greenwich, so if you say GT used to be better then I&#039;ll take your word for it. If it has the potential to be a genuine local newspaper, then that is definitely a point in its favour: maybe it can one day regain that potential.

Anyway, time to curl up with GT for a proper read. You might be interested to know that, coincidentally, your name came up in my uni lecture tonight, discussing the Osmotherly Rules. I felt positively star struck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So linking to a website that makes it clear that I am a member of the Labour Party isn&#8217;t enough of a declaration of interest? Would you like me to put a red rosette on each of my comments, Senator McCarthy? I&#8217;m just checking my conscience as to what else I should declare. Shamefully, I had a flick through the copy of GT that was on my doormat when I got in from uni just now. Corrupt individual that I am, I quite enjoyed Tony Lord&#8217;s column about the experiences of a student nurse in 1946. As you&#8217;ve looked at my blog, I&#8217;m surprised you haven&#8217;t noticed the worst conflict of interest going, however. As a guinea pig owner/slave, I benefit financially from the provision of 6 sheets of council tax payer funded unstapled newspaper through my door each week. Saves me buying the Evening Standard. There you go, full disclosure.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m going to be portrayed as an uncritical defender of GT, I&#8217;ll play the role. This week&#8217;s paper contains two and a half pages of planning notices, a bit over a page worth of traffic and licensing notices and a page worth of council job adverts, all of which would have to be paid to be published somewhere else at some cost. Then there&#8217;s five page of council house listings, which do need to be available weekly, so would need to be printed anyway. There are three private sector adverts, and some of the money for the PCT&#8217;s supplement on busting MMR myths will have come from outside the borough, although obviously it will be public money from somewhere else. I&#8217;d have thought that lot would go at least a little way towards covering the cost of publication, especially at today&#8217;s advertising rates rather than 2003&#8242;s. Am now switching off uncritical support for GT mode &#8211; thanks for the bung, Cllr Roberts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit to only having read Hammersmith and Tower Hamlet&#8217;s comparable publications, but I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;d disagree that they are any less Pravda-esque than GT. A paper published by a council&#8217;s executive (of whatever colour) simply isn&#8217;t going to carry critical news, hence my suggestion for cross-party, backbench editorial overview. I&#8217;m pretty new to Greenwich, so if you say GT used to be better then I&#8217;ll take your word for it. If it has the potential to be a genuine local newspaper, then that is definitely a point in its favour: maybe it can one day regain that potential.</p>
<p>Anyway, time to curl up with GT for a proper read. You might be interested to know that, coincidentally, your name came up in my uni lecture tonight, discussing the Osmotherly Rules. I felt positively star struck.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Gilligan</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/taxing-times/comment-page-1/#comment-1075</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Gilligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Animal, the 2003-4 budget suggests that at that time the council was spending around £75,000 a year on all forms of advertising, not just in the Mercury and not just on official notices. But that is not the point.

The central point is that unlike Greenwich Time I believe in the full declaration of relevant interests. Greenwich Time presents itself as a factual chronicler of the doings of the council, while in reality it is operated, at public expense, in the interests of the ruling party. It should declare that interest. You are a member of that party, so when you are writing about GT you should declare your interest, too. 

I&#039;ve seen the newspapers of other councils, Labour and Tory-controlled, and they are both less frequent and far less overtly propagandistic than Greenwich Time. 

GT, which has been in existence for at least six years, started out like that as well. But it has since been bumped up, first from monthly to fortnightly and now to weekly, and has taken on a distinctly more propagandist tone. The need to publish official notices cannot explain this. The only explanation I can think of is that Labour has for some time been doing rather badly in the polls - and there are local elections coming up next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Animal, the 2003-4 budget suggests that at that time the council was spending around £75,000 a year on all forms of advertising, not just in the Mercury and not just on official notices. But that is not the point.</p>
<p>The central point is that unlike Greenwich Time I believe in the full declaration of relevant interests. Greenwich Time presents itself as a factual chronicler of the doings of the council, while in reality it is operated, at public expense, in the interests of the ruling party. It should declare that interest. You are a member of that party, so when you are writing about GT you should declare your interest, too. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen the newspapers of other councils, Labour and Tory-controlled, and they are both less frequent and far less overtly propagandistic than Greenwich Time. </p>
<p>GT, which has been in existence for at least six years, started out like that as well. But it has since been bumped up, first from monthly to fortnightly and now to weekly, and has taken on a distinctly more propagandist tone. The need to publish official notices cannot explain this. The only explanation I can think of is that Labour has for some time been doing rather badly in the polls &#8211; and there are local elections coming up next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Political Animal</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/taxing-times/comment-page-1/#comment-1073</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Animal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, yes, I am a member of the Labour Party, Andrew, and I make no secret of that fact. However, I wasn&#039;t aware that meant I had signed away all rights to having an opinion. The points I was making apply to all councils, regardless of political control: in suggesting that there might be some logic behind councils publishing their own &#039;newspapers&#039;, I am providing as much of a defence for Conservative-controlled Hammersmith &amp; Fulham and Havering or for Lab-Lib Dem run Waltham Forest as I am for Greenwich. 

You claim that I &#039;feel Greenwich Time is such a good idea&#039; - except if you read my posts, you&#039;ll find I don&#039;t: the principle is probably defensible on a financial and public information grounds, but Greenwich&#039;s execution is poor - too overtly partisan and propagandist. 

Basically, we&#039;re two bald men squabbling over a comb: neither of us has the full set of figures. We don&#039;t know what Greenwich was paying the Mercury for public notice advertising before GT started, we don&#039;t know how much of existing publicity budgets has now been rolled into the GT budget and would have been spent anyway, likewise with the GT staff (would they be employed anyway?). As you&#039;ll notice, I never claimed GT necessarily saved the council money, I simply sought to point out that for many councils the public notices issue is one of the key drivers in setting up their own publications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, yes, I am a member of the Labour Party, Andrew, and I make no secret of that fact. However, I wasn&#8217;t aware that meant I had signed away all rights to having an opinion. The points I was making apply to all councils, regardless of political control: in suggesting that there might be some logic behind councils publishing their own &#8216;newspapers&#8217;, I am providing as much of a defence for Conservative-controlled Hammersmith &amp; Fulham and Havering or for Lab-Lib Dem run Waltham Forest as I am for Greenwich. </p>
<p>You claim that I &#8216;feel Greenwich Time is such a good idea&#8217; &#8211; except if you read my posts, you&#8217;ll find I don&#8217;t: the principle is probably defensible on a financial and public information grounds, but Greenwich&#8217;s execution is poor &#8211; too overtly partisan and propagandist. </p>
<p>Basically, we&#8217;re two bald men squabbling over a comb: neither of us has the full set of figures. We don&#8217;t know what Greenwich was paying the Mercury for public notice advertising before GT started, we don&#8217;t know how much of existing publicity budgets has now been rolled into the GT budget and would have been spent anyway, likewise with the GT staff (would they be employed anyway?). As you&#8217;ll notice, I never claimed GT necessarily saved the council money, I simply sought to point out that for many councils the public notices issue is one of the key drivers in setting up their own publications.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Gilligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Gilligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, part of the problem with Greenwich Time is that it is essentially political propaganda in favour of the ruling party - Animal&#039;s party. So it is relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, part of the problem with Greenwich Time is that it is essentially political propaganda in favour of the ruling party &#8211; Animal&#8217;s party. So it is relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I note from your website that you are a member of the Labour Party. Could this explain why you feel Greenwich Time is such a good idea?&quot;

Low blow perhaps Andrew? I have no time for Greenwich Time but Political Animal seems to make some interesting points that can be debated on their merits as actually you have done above, without the cheap shots.

Enjoying the discussion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I note from your website that you are a member of the Labour Party. Could this explain why you feel Greenwich Time is such a good idea?&#8221;</p>
<p>Low blow perhaps Andrew? I have no time for Greenwich Time but Political Animal seems to make some interesting points that can be debated on their merits as actually you have done above, without the cheap shots.</p>
<p>Enjoying the discussion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Gilligan</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/andrew-gilligan/taxing-times/comment-page-1/#comment-1070</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Gilligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I would also question the claim of £64k in &quot;direct income&quot;. This can only be from advertising - but in the 20 January edition I write about, all but two small adverts (of 18) seem to be either from the council itself or from organisations that it funds. So most of the £64k &quot;income&quot; is essentially also council tax money being recycled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I would also question the claim of £64k in &#8220;direct income&#8221;. This can only be from advertising &#8211; but in the 20 January edition I write about, all but two small adverts (of 18) seem to be either from the council itself or from organisations that it funds. So most of the £64k &#8220;income&#8221; is essentially also council tax money being recycled.</p>
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