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		<title>By: Indigo</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/news/03005-reaction-to-greenwich-park-planning-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-17215</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did the Labour councillors knowingly sign off a planning application that was not compliant with the London Plan?  The Mayor has been written to, to draw several breaches to his attention.  This could be a bigger stink than the MPs&#039; expenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the Labour councillors knowingly sign off a planning application that was not compliant with the London Plan?  The Mayor has been written to, to draw several breaches to his attention.  This could be a bigger stink than the MPs&#8217; expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/news/03005-reaction-to-greenwich-park-planning-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-17213</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 18:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see there&#039;s been no let up in the NOGOE charm offensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see there&#8217;s been no let up in the NOGOE charm offensive.</p>
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		<title>By: jan stewer</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/news/03005-reaction-to-greenwich-park-planning-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-17211</link>
		<dc:creator>jan stewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Window - you obviously haven&#039;t the first clue about maths nor structural engineering - nor seen the Planning Application! The&quot; Iconic Views&quot; are all obstructed by the 23,000 seat arena, ticket booths, security fencing, ramps and walkways etc. etc. etc. ....... They will start digging the Cross Country course very shortly so good-bye Park all you kids who have been rolling your eggs - and yourselves - down One Tree Hill this weekend. Good bye to that lovely flat area for playing football all you boys and girls this Easter weekend - the next 3 Aprils it will all be fenced off and full of heavy machinery ...  and you maybe haven&#039;t even thought about how they are going to power this huge event in A PARK which has none - nit to mention how they are going to bring in enough water for over 80,000 people and 220 horse and take all the raw sewage away for both.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Window &#8211; you obviously haven&#8217;t the first clue about maths nor structural engineering &#8211; nor seen the Planning Application! The&#8221; Iconic Views&#8221; are all obstructed by the 23,000 seat arena, ticket booths, security fencing, ramps and walkways etc. etc. etc. &#8230;&#8230;. They will start digging the Cross Country course very shortly so good-bye Park all you kids who have been rolling your eggs &#8211; and yourselves &#8211; down One Tree Hill this weekend. Good bye to that lovely flat area for playing football all you boys and girls this Easter weekend &#8211; the next 3 Aprils it will all be fenced off and full of heavy machinery &#8230;  and you maybe haven&#8217;t even thought about how they are going to power this huge event in A PARK which has none &#8211; nit to mention how they are going to bring in enough water for over 80,000 people and 220 horse and take all the raw sewage away for both&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/news/03005-reaction-to-greenwich-park-planning-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-17202</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Window, the &quot;clean venue policy&quot; of the IOC will ensure that local businesses will not enjoy increased revenues.  PLEASE stop just repeating what LOCOG have told you - most of it is complete balderdash!

As for iconic backdrop, the 23,000-seat temporary stadium will ensure that the iconic backdrop is invisible.  The media continue to use an early artist&#039;s impression which put the arena in the Queens House tiltyard, looking all folksy and Tudory   LOCOG won&#039;t let them use the official illustration of what the stadium will really look like: it blots out all light from the south to the Queens House.

Really, I ask you to make yourself a bit better informed.  Read NOGOE&#039;s submission on the planning applications - the ecology, archaelogy, socioeconomic aspects: http://www.nogoe2012.com/planning-app.html

To any other equestrians looking in: if you love and value your horses, please start asking awkward questions - eg about the water supply.  Thames Water has said that the existing water infrastructure will not be able to cope; horses need 25 gallons water per day when active, just to drink, not to mention the gallons of water and ice required to cool them down, and the water needed by vets and grooms and riders.  Never mind anyone else on site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Window, the &#8220;clean venue policy&#8221; of the IOC will ensure that local businesses will not enjoy increased revenues.  PLEASE stop just repeating what LOCOG have told you &#8211; most of it is complete balderdash!</p>
<p>As for iconic backdrop, the 23,000-seat temporary stadium will ensure that the iconic backdrop is invisible.  The media continue to use an early artist&#8217;s impression which put the arena in the Queens House tiltyard, looking all folksy and Tudory   LOCOG won&#8217;t let them use the official illustration of what the stadium will really look like: it blots out all light from the south to the Queens House.</p>
<p>Really, I ask you to make yourself a bit better informed.  Read NOGOE&#8217;s submission on the planning applications &#8211; the ecology, archaelogy, socioeconomic aspects: <a href="http://www.nogoe2012.com/planning-app.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nogoe2012.com/planning-app.html</a></p>
<p>To any other equestrians looking in: if you love and value your horses, please start asking awkward questions &#8211; eg about the water supply.  Thames Water has said that the existing water infrastructure will not be able to cope; horses need 25 gallons water per day when active, just to drink, not to mention the gallons of water and ice required to cool them down, and the water needed by vets and grooms and riders.  Never mind anyone else on site.</p>
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		<title>By: John Window</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/news/03005-reaction-to-greenwich-park-planning-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-17198</link>
		<dc:creator>John Window</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 12:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed we were selected as a pre-games traing camp, however the chances of that happening are virtually nil. I think that correspondents fail to realise that these games are about iconism, LOGOC cannot compete with Beijing in technical terms but has the backdrop of London`s wonderful historic buildings, so basically `if you`ve got it, flaunt it`. I would however point out that both Badminton and Burghley estates predate Greenwich Park by some centuries, both being of Tudor origins. The inconvenience that will surely arise will be temporary and the increased revenues to all local businesses will be substantial and by 2014 the Park will be as beautiful as it is now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed we were selected as a pre-games traing camp, however the chances of that happening are virtually nil. I think that correspondents fail to realise that these games are about iconism, LOGOC cannot compete with Beijing in technical terms but has the backdrop of London`s wonderful historic buildings, so basically `if you`ve got it, flaunt it`. I would however point out that both Badminton and Burghley estates predate Greenwich Park by some centuries, both being of Tudor origins. The inconvenience that will surely arise will be temporary and the increased revenues to all local businesses will be substantial and by 2014 the Park will be as beautiful as it is now.</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/news/03005-reaction-to-greenwich-park-planning-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-17186</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Window (Director, Mount Mascal Stables) should have declared his interest - Mount Mascal (Bexley) is one of the pre-Olympic training camp venues.  

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/london_2012/7275046.stm

So John Window would not want the 2012 equestrian events moved to Windsor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Window (Director, Mount Mascal Stables) should have declared his interest &#8211; Mount Mascal (Bexley) is one of the pre-Olympic training camp venues.  </p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/london_2012/7275046.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/london_2012/7275046.stm</a></p>
<p>So John Window would not want the 2012 equestrian events moved to Windsor.</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/news/03005-reaction-to-greenwich-park-planning-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-17185</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Window: Badminton and Burghley do not have ancient underground conduits, protected species, 400-year-old trees planted by Charles II.  And I am sure that the reason you don&#039;t see any damage at those sites is that the &quot;footing&quot; there was prepared yonks ago and is now merely maintained; what is proposed in Greenwich Park is a total conversion from a biodiverse, unique landscape into a golf course.  Badminton and Burghley do not serve as a &quot;back garden&quot; for thousands who have none of their own.

I am getting a bit tired of people who have only ever read LOCOG and Council announcements, and who not having bothered to read the planning applications nevertheless think that, from this position of almost total ignorance, they can credibly opine on LOCOG&#039;s proposals.  I met someone last week who had only ever read LOCOG propaganda and so STILL believed that the only opposition was from dog-walkers who, she added, could jolly well walk their dogs on the Heath for two weeks.

Anyway, the water and sewage infrastructure won&#039;t be able to cope, and that should be an end to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Window: Badminton and Burghley do not have ancient underground conduits, protected species, 400-year-old trees planted by Charles II.  And I am sure that the reason you don&#8217;t see any damage at those sites is that the &#8220;footing&#8221; there was prepared yonks ago and is now merely maintained; what is proposed in Greenwich Park is a total conversion from a biodiverse, unique landscape into a golf course.  Badminton and Burghley do not serve as a &#8220;back garden&#8221; for thousands who have none of their own.</p>
<p>I am getting a bit tired of people who have only ever read LOCOG and Council announcements, and who not having bothered to read the planning applications nevertheless think that, from this position of almost total ignorance, they can credibly opine on LOCOG&#8217;s proposals.  I met someone last week who had only ever read LOCOG propaganda and so STILL believed that the only opposition was from dog-walkers who, she added, could jolly well walk their dogs on the Heath for two weeks.</p>
<p>Anyway, the water and sewage infrastructure won&#8217;t be able to cope, and that should be an end to it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Window</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/news/03005-reaction-to-greenwich-park-planning-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-17179</link>
		<dc:creator>John Window</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the owner of a local riding school I don`t think you need worry over re-instatement. There are two annual olympic type events held annually at Badminton and Burghley and any damage to the respective parks and surfaces is hardly noticeable year on year.

My concern would be the main access point across the road in front of the Queen`s House, I had assumed a temporary pedestrian bridge but apparently not, just temporary traffic lights! could be fun.

On cross-country day there will be access from Blackheath which makes more sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the owner of a local riding school I don`t think you need worry over re-instatement. There are two annual olympic type events held annually at Badminton and Burghley and any damage to the respective parks and surfaces is hardly noticeable year on year.</p>
<p>My concern would be the main access point across the road in front of the Queen`s House, I had assumed a temporary pedestrian bridge but apparently not, just temporary traffic lights! could be fun.</p>
<p>On cross-country day there will be access from Blackheath which makes more sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo</title>
		<link>http://www.greenwich.co.uk/news/03005-reaction-to-greenwich-park-planning-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-17146</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that, back in October 2004, the Royal Parks formally agreed with London 2012 that - in the event that London won the bid to host the Olympics - Greenwich Park could be used as a venue for the equestrian events &lt;i&gt;without conducting any assessment whatsoever on whether this could be done without causing sewage flooding and such an enormous drop in mains water pressure that no one would have water&lt;/i&gt;. 

Amazing, really.  That&#039;s what you get, though, when you employ placemen instead of people who know what they are doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that, back in October 2004, the Royal Parks formally agreed with London 2012 that &#8211; in the event that London won the bid to host the Olympics &#8211; Greenwich Park could be used as a venue for the equestrian events <i>without conducting any assessment whatsoever on whether this could be done without causing sewage flooding and such an enormous drop in mains water pressure that no one would have water</i>. </p>
<p>Amazing, really.  That&#8217;s what you get, though, when you employ placemen instead of people who know what they are doing.</p>
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		<title>By: PLJAIKJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PLJAIKJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This planning meeting was just a rubber-stamping exercise. Even GT the day after the meeting referred to the Park as the venue where equestrian &quot;will&quot; take place, not &quot;would,subject to planning&quot;

The councillors who voted in favour looked uninterested; they didn&#039;t ask any challenging questions; they had clearly made up their minds beforehand.   It was insulting to those who worked so hard to analyse the case. Neither LOCOG nor the councillors listened to intelligent reasoning. LOCOG and BEF made inane speeches about compact Games and inspiring young people. One councillor, Sajid Jawaid, didn&#039;t ask a single question and, when asked for his decision, agreed with other supporters and stressed that the events were for the benefit of young people. What&#039;s that got to do with planning law?  The whole Olympics is inspirational; having Greenwich as a host borough is inspirational; but it is not dependent on this one event taking place in the Park. The thought that local kids are going to be inspired to take up riding as a sport in response to a £200,000 riding project is unrealistic.

There was other misleading information about benefits to the local economy. For example there were figures about how much money the spectators and press would spend in the local economy. Yet according to transport plans in the London 2012 website, the modelling has been done on people arriving by train between 8.30 and 9.30, then leaving between 5.30 and 6pm. The visitors will be a captive audience inside the venue for the McDonalds of this world, so when will they spend money in the local restaurants and museums? Another myth about the Olympics.

There has been so much manipulation of information, it is staggering that the organisers have managed to pull the wool over the eyes of so many in authority. As for scrutiny by Royal Parks and English Heritage, as government agencies their hands are tied. 

This has been a state-sponsored stitch-up from day 1, and now it is a council-backed one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This planning meeting was just a rubber-stamping exercise. Even GT the day after the meeting referred to the Park as the venue where equestrian &#8220;will&#8221; take place, not &#8220;would,subject to planning&#8221;</p>
<p>The councillors who voted in favour looked uninterested; they didn&#8217;t ask any challenging questions; they had clearly made up their minds beforehand.   It was insulting to those who worked so hard to analyse the case. Neither LOCOG nor the councillors listened to intelligent reasoning. LOCOG and BEF made inane speeches about compact Games and inspiring young people. One councillor, Sajid Jawaid, didn&#8217;t ask a single question and, when asked for his decision, agreed with other supporters and stressed that the events were for the benefit of young people. What&#8217;s that got to do with planning law?  The whole Olympics is inspirational; having Greenwich as a host borough is inspirational; but it is not dependent on this one event taking place in the Park. The thought that local kids are going to be inspired to take up riding as a sport in response to a £200,000 riding project is unrealistic.</p>
<p>There was other misleading information about benefits to the local economy. For example there were figures about how much money the spectators and press would spend in the local economy. Yet according to transport plans in the London 2012 website, the modelling has been done on people arriving by train between 8.30 and 9.30, then leaving between 5.30 and 6pm. The visitors will be a captive audience inside the venue for the McDonalds of this world, so when will they spend money in the local restaurants and museums? Another myth about the Olympics.</p>
<p>There has been so much manipulation of information, it is staggering that the organisers have managed to pull the wool over the eyes of so many in authority. As for scrutiny by Royal Parks and English Heritage, as government agencies their hands are tied. </p>
<p>This has been a state-sponsored stitch-up from day 1, and now it is a council-backed one.</p>
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