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Blog posts on Greenwich.co.uk that mention or are related to historic Greenwich Market at the heart of maritime Greenwich. Greenwich Market is owned by the Greenwich Hospital naval charity.

A Brazilian that doesn’t hurt

February 23, 2010 By Chris Henniker

When people ask for a Brazilian, they subconsciously wince at the thought of it. The one I had didn’t hurt at all. In fact, it tasted very nice. I bought it from Raphael, who owns the stall Gaucho: Son of the Pampas, which sells Brazilian cuisine in Greenwich Market. Aside from those really awesome chocolate and cinnamon Churos (They’re traditionally Caramel), they sell steak and chicken marinated in Chimichurri. Chimichurri is a South American sauce made of parsley, Olive oil, garlic and herbs. Of course, there are regional variations. You could easily imagine that a Guyanese version (or near the French Border), for instance, is made with herb instead of ordinary herbs for a more transcendental culinary experience.

They sell pretty well, but what proportion chicken and steak do they sell? Raphael said that “We sell fifty fifty.” Appropriately, although the beef is rib-eye stake from Argentina, the chicken comes from brazil, the sauce is made locally. The girl who served me said that “we make it (Chimichurri) here a little differently to what they do in South America.” So this is a London variation.

What did I think of the London version, you ask? It’s not hot, but it’s a more European flavour of Garlic and Olive oil, with a hint of lemon. It’s not what I expected, but then it’s more subtle and complex than just having heat like in Mexican or some Indian food. The herbs contribute to this by providing a contrast to both the meat and the garlic, with the lemon adding the right amount of acidity to the proceedings. I really enjoyed it, but it didn’t bring me to the point of culinary hallucination (wrong herb perhaps?). I didn’t see Jah, but I could imagine this as a marinade for anything that requires complex flavours like prawns, other seafood and even cornflakes after twenty pints and a hangover.

If this is a Brazilian without wax, then this is also one without tears of pain but plenty of culinary delight.

Try it yourself…

1/2 cup olive oil
2 tablespoons fresh lemon juice
1/3 cup minced fresh parsley
1 clove garlic
2 minced shallots
1 teaspoon minced basil, thyme or oregano, or mixture
Salt and pepper to taste

Combine all ingredients and let set for at least 2 hours before serving.

Filed Under: Magazine Tagged With: Food, Greenwich Market

Greenwich Hospital confirms Market appeal

February 19, 2010 By Rob Powell

Greenwich Hospital has confirmed that it will be appealing against the Council’s decision to reject its market regeneration plans.

The decision – first reported on this site yesterday by Andrew Gilligan – was relayed to traders at a meeting last night and confirmed by Greenwich Hospital in a press release this morning.

Greenwich Hospital will be asking the Planning Inspectorate to consider the same proposal that was unanimously rejected by Greenwich Council’s Planning Board last August.

Martin Sands, Director of Greenwich Hospital, said:

“The Hospital’s criteria for the regeneration of Greenwich Market has always been that any improvements to the Hospital’s properties in Greenwich town centre would need to:

  • Retain the diversity of shops and stalls.
  • Be architecturally, physically and financially viable.
  • Be capable of standing the test of time.
  • Be mindful of Greenwich’s status as a World Heritage Site and as a
  • Maritime Heritage Site.
  • Complement Greenwich’s unique position as a tourist and retail
  • destination.

Greenwich Hospital continues to believe that the market regeneration scheme which was not approved by Greenwich Council in August 2009 meets the above criteria.

Greenwich Hospital says that if permission is granted, work will not begin until 2013.

In an interview with Greenwich.co.uk last December, Nick Raynsford MP said “I think that if they appeal they have a very good chance of success“.

Update: A spokesperson for Greenwich Council has told Greenwich.co.uk:

The council will defend the unanimous decision of its Planning Board and would urge all residents who opposed the scheme to make representations to the planning inspectorate.

Filed Under: News Tagged With: Greenwich Council, Greenwich Market, Nick Raynsford, Planning Decisions

Greenwich Market: Developers to Appeal

February 18, 2010 By Andrew Gilligan

THE HATED demolition and redevelopment of Greenwich Market could still go ahead with its owner, Greenwich Hospital, likely to appeal against the council’s decision to refuse planning permission.

Traders in the market have been told by Edward Dolby, the Hospital’s resources director, that an appeal against the refusal is to be lodged. “He has been telling people that if they get the appeal, nothing will be demolished until January 2013,” said one person familiar with the situation. The appeal has to be lodged by February 26, six months after the council’s decision.

Greenwich Hospital’s director, Martin Sands, refused to confirm or deny last night whether the Hospital will appeal. However, official confirmation of the position is expected to be given to a meeting of market traders tomorrow.

The plan would see the existing market and the shops around it demolished and replaced by a modern market, contemporary shopping precinct and 104-bedroom hotel. The hotel would rise to five storeys and would loom over the existing buildings. Its entrance would be directly on the busy one-way system.

In August the plan was unanimously rejected by Greenwich’s planning board, which described it as “unbalanced and detrimental,” “visually intrustive,” an “overdevelopment,” “out of keeping with its historic surroundings,” and a “low quality design” which would deliver a “poor environment” and “impact on the free flow of traffic.”

Any appeal would probably be heard by the Planning Inspectorate in Bristol, though there is a faint possibility the Government or the Mayor could intervene. The inspectorate decides whether to do it entirely in writing, to have a public hearing or to have a full-scale inquiry, with lawyers for each side.
Since this scheme has been so controversial, it is unlikely to be dealt with in writing.

As before, opponents of the scheme will be able to submit written objections and appear in person at the hearing or inquiry if they wish. The criteria on which the appeal is decided are not terribly clear, but they appear to be whether the council has acted in accordance with its own Unitary Development Plan (UDP), the definitive statement of its planning policy.

According to the council, the Greenwich Market application breached no fewer than ten policies of the UDP, not to mention two items of national government planning policy guidance. It is, on the face of it, hard to see how any planning inspector could disagree with this. Take, for instance, UDP policy TC7, which states: “The Council will protect and enhance the site and setting of the Maritime Greenwich World Heritage Site…. Development within it should preserve and enhance its essential and unique character and appearance.” Indisputably, the new scheme, which looks like a bus station, does not do this.

Policy TC8 states that any new development anywhere in the town centre must “demonstrate the highest standards in design, landscaping, detailing, and finishing.” Again, the market scheme seems quite clearly not of the highest standards.

The Hospital may argue that the council’s planning officers recommended acceptance of the scheme, though how those officers managed to reconcile it with their own policy is still unclear.
Even if the Hospital wins its case, however, economics may have turned against the scheme. The redevelopment relies on the new hotel for its viability. But since last year, another major hotel scheme has been approved in the area – a new 150-roomer on Greenwich High Road. Frank Dowling’s Inc Group is also sitting on planning permission to turn the upper floors of the Trafalgar Tavern into a 16-bedroom hotel.

There is also a planning application, which seems likely to be granted, for a 450-room hotel at the 02. All this new hotel development is, of course, in addition to the existing Ibis, Novotel and Holiday Inn behemoths which have been constructed locally over the last fifteen years. The real risk for the Hospital is that even if they do get their planning permission, the hotel market in SE10 will already be too saturated for anyone to invest.

The chances of saving the market seem higher, therefore, than at this time last year. Nonetheless, if an appeal is launched, there will need to be another campaign. And how depressing it will be to see this further evidence of Greenwich Hospital’s arrogance, pigheadedness and refusal to engage with the community it claims to serve.

UPDATE: At the meeting with traders tonight, Greenwich Hospital confirmed that it would launch an appeal. The plan will be the same as the one that was rejected by councillors last year. A press release is expected to be issued on Friday.

Filed Under: Andrew Gilligan Tagged With: Greenwich Market

Greenwich Market under new management

January 7, 2010 By Rob Powell

Greenwich Market

A new management team has been put in charge of running historic Greenwich Market.

Control of the market has been brought in-house by Greenwich Hospital, the naval charity that owns the site and surrounding shops. The market had previously been run by Urban Space Management, who took over the running of it in 1997.

Martin Sands, Director of Greenwich Hospital commented: “We are looking forward to working with all market stall holders to make Greenwich Market an even better place to visit. We are excited about the opportunities that this change in management will bring, and anticipate the stalls and surrounding shops working even more closely together to create a vibrant and genuinely unique retail destination.”

Opening hours will remain unchanged, although the new management team are looking at ideas for using the market space on Mondays and Tuesdays, when market traders aren’t currently operating, to “complement the permanent shops”.

In August last year, Greenwich Hospital’s regeneration proposals were unanimously rejected by the Council’s planning board, although local MP, Nick Raynsford, told Greenwich.co.uk in December that he believed that the development would go ahead, and that Greenwich Hospital had “a very good chance of success” if they chose to appeal.

Filed Under: News Tagged With: Greenwich Market

Nick Raynsford – Nobody Likes a Bad Loser

December 16, 2009 By Andrew Gilligan

WHEN you’re in an argument with someone, there are two clear signs that they’re losing. The first is when they resort to abuse – and the second is when they have to distort your case to buttress their own.

In their battle to knock down Greenwich Market, Nick Raynsford MP, the Greenwich Society and the forces of development did both those things – and did, indeed, lose. So it’s rather encouraging to see them reprising exactly the same tactics over the Greenwich Park Olympics.

In an article for this website last week, Mr Raynsford accused Nogoe, the anti-Olympics group, of “scaremongering” and a “complete misrepresentation of the facts.” His evidence? A poster they issued, with a picture of the open area in front of the National Maritime Museum, and beneath it the statement that “this will be a no go area in 2012 for several months.”

It is actually Mr Raynsford who is distorting the facts here. As last week’s planning application confirms, the area depicted in Nogoe’s poster will indeed be closed – for eight months.

Mr Raynsford attacks Nogoe for “continuing to perpetuate the myth that the park would be closed in a BBC report in October this year, when a spokeswoman said it would be ‘socially and morally wrong’ for the park to be closed, despite knowing that this would not be the case.”

The actual BBC report quotes Nogoe’s spokeswoman as saying that it would be socially and morally wrong to close the park during the games. And as last week’s planning application confirms, it will indeed be closed during the games.

The outline facts of the Park’s closure are actually quite uncontested. They have been established everywhere outside the mind of Nick Raynsford for more than a year now. And what the further details published last week show is that, far from “scaremongering,” Nogoe have significantly understated the problems the Olympics will cause.

Forty-two thousand vehicle movements in the park, including more than 6,000 lorry movements; five years of works, starting next spring; the park sliced up with fences for most if not all of that time; full restoration of the park only in 2015. And the more I pore through the planning documents, the more horrors emerge – details to follow.

What other distortions have the pro-Games forces been guilty of? Mr Raynsford describes one survey showing an improbable 85% support for the Games as “independent polling.” Actually, it was a voodoo poll. It was market research, not done to the standards of a professional opinion pollster. It was carried out for Locog, and it was packed with questions so comically loaded that 85% must in fact have been a very disappointing result.

Locog, in another of last week’s ripostes, claimed that “all work related to the Games will be completed by November 2012,” other than the acid grass restoration programme by 2015. Not true: the “amenity grassland” across much of the park will be fenced off until spring 2013.

They also say that the extent of tree pruning will be “minimal” and “routine.” I think the trees which will suffer a “removal of branches to the main stem” might quarrel with that.

In this debate and others Nick Raynsford, in particular, is in danger of becoming ridiculous. Not long ago, he was quoted as saying that he had “no doubt” that the redevelopment of Greenwich Market would succeed on appeal and would be built. The proposal was in breach of so many council and Government planning policies, and its rejection by councillors was so comprehensive, that it in fact seems rather unlikely to win an appeal, or to be built in its current form.

Economics have also turned against the development. At the same meeting that councillors refused the market redevelopment, centred around a huge new hotel, they approved a large new hotel on Greenwich High Road. They’re also currently considering another hotel proposal – the conversion of the upper floors of the Trafalgar pub. So any new hotel in the market now faces even greater challenges to its commercial viability.

Mr Raynsford’s instinct for distortion was also on hand over the market, with a claim that opponents had said Turnpin Lane would be destroyed. Nobody had said anything of the sort, of course. In psychoanalysis, this sort of behaviour is known as “Freudian projection” – when you project on to others the faults and flaws you sense in yourself.

Mr Raynsford may be able to inhabit his own private fantasy world for the majority of the parliamentary term. But with no more than six months before he must face his voters, it seems a rather unwise place for him to be at the moment.

Filed Under: Andrew Gilligan Tagged With: Greenwich Market, Greenwich Park, London 2012 Olympics, Nick Raynsford

Greenwich Market Hotel “will be built” – Nick Raynsford Interview Pt1

December 1, 2009 By Adam Bienkov

Nick Raynsford MP has said that councillors were “absolutely wrong” to reject the redevelopment of Greenwich Market and says that he has “no doubt” that the hotel will be built. The comments came in an extensive interview for Greenwich.co.uk which we are publishing in three parts all this week.

The highly controversial market proposals were unanimously rejected by councillors earlier this year, but Raynsford believes that they will now go through on appeal:

“Having read rather carefully the officer report and I speak as a former minister for planning so I did have to take decisions on issues like this, I think the Hospital have got good grounds for an appeal”

“In that situation when a scheme has been strongly supported by the officers and it is rejected by the politicians then very often inspectors tend to agree with the professionals and grant the appeal.

“I think this thing will be built. I have no doubt.”

Asked whether he had spoken to Council leader Chris Roberts since he rejected the proposals, he replied:

“Yes I have and I told him I think he was wrong. He was absolutely wrong on this issue. I don’t always agree with him.”

Raynsford believes that “vested interests” misled the public about the scheme:

“The proposals didn’t get explained as they should have been to the public who were apprehensive, but you also had some people who had a vested interest in trying to present this as a Bluewater type scheme rather than what it was.”

Greenwich.co.uk: What do you mean by “vested interests”?

“Well Andrew Gilligan had turned his mind against the thing right from the outset. He was totally hostile to it, and he literally would not listen. His view was this was a totally awful scheme, and the article he wrote for the Evening Standard showed an illustration or Turnpin lane, and the argument was, this is all going to get knocked down. Nonsense. The only thing that was going to be knocked down were those steel girders that hold up the roof at the moment which actually protrude into Turnpin lane and make it a less easy area to negotiate. And the only change would have been rather more elegant supports holding the roof up. And that to my mind is not the product of somebody who has looked at it seriously.”

Raynsford still believes that the hotel will bring much needed economic benefits to the town:

“Greenwich has a huge international reputation but it doesn’t get the full benefit of that. It is known to be a beautiful place, but on the whole the tourism revenue we get is the revenue of a day trip destination. People come to London, and they say that one of the things they must do is go to Greenwich. They’ll probably take a boat down the river, they’ll spend five or six hours in Greenwich, go to the Maritime Museum, perhaps go into the park, to the Painted Hall and the chapel and perhaps the Observatory and then they’ll go back. So they come back to central London and they’ve probably spent  £10-15 in Greenwich and they’ve spent hundreds of  pounds [in the centre]”

Asked whether Greenwich Hospital will appeal the council’s decision he replied:

“Of course it is up to them, but I think they are considering whether they are going to make a fresh application or whether to appeal. Frankly I think that if they appeal they have a very good chance of success, because the officer report which is the serious professional appraisal, gave it very strong support… So a good scheme and I think that there is every chance that it will be built in due course.”

In part two of this interview, to be published tomorrow, read what Nick Raynsford has to say about the “bogus claims” of Olympic protestors and the “cult of personality” at Greenwich Time.

Filed Under: News Tagged With: Chris Roberts, Greenwich Council, Greenwich Market, Interview, Nick Raynsford

Daily Photo: 27/11/09 – Santa Arrives at Greenwich Market

November 27, 2009 By Rob Powell

Santa in Greenwich Market

A few hours before the Greenwich Christmas light switch on, Father Christmas was mingling in Greenwich Market and talking to shoppers, and entertaining elves with his witty banter, by the looks of it!

Filed Under: Daily Photo Tagged With: Christmas, Greenwich Market

Shopper struck by falling object at Greenwich Market

November 14, 2009 By Rob Powell

Greenwich Market closed early today after an object fell through the market roof, hit a market stall and rebounded onto a shopper.

On a day when strong weather conditions caused incidents around the south east, heavy winds dislodged the object – we’re not sure what it was yet – which then fell through the roof of the market.

The shopper who was struck by the falling object had no visible injuries but was taken to hospital as a precaution. The market closed early so that fire officers could attend the scene and ensure it was safe. A full repair of the affected roof section is expected to be undertaken on Monday.

A spokesman for Urban Space, the company that manages Greenwich Market, told Greenwich.co.uk this evening: “The market will be open as usual tomorrow (Sunday) but a small section of the market will be closed that is beneath the section of roof that was damaged to make absolutely sure that customers are safe and our traders products remain dry!”.

Filed Under: News Tagged With: Greenwich Market

Daily Photo 03/11/09: Greenwich Market

November 3, 2009 By Rob Powell

Greenwich Market

Perhaps thinking, “What shall I have?”.

Filed Under: Daily Photo Tagged With: Greenwich Market

Greenwich Market: Where Next?

September 2, 2009 By Andrew Gilligan

Greenwich Market

EVERY time I passed through Greenwich Market recently, I found myself sadly thinking: “Just four months before this is all gone.” The relief now that planning permission has been refused, and the threat lifted, is immense. But what happens next?

The day after the council threw out Greenwich Hospital’s plans, its director, Martin Sands, sent round a letter to all the market traders saying how “very disappointed” he was and thanking “many traders and retailers in the market… who so publicly gave us their support.” This sentence was ironically underlined by the shopkeeper who passed me the note. Let me say that in all these months I have only ever found one market trader who was wholly happy with the proposals.

The Hospital now has six months to lodge an appeal, which would probably be heard by the Planning Inspectorate in Bristol. The appeal would be decided on whether the council had acted in accordance with its own planning policy, the Unitary Development Plan (UDP), and national planning policy guidance (PPG). However, the council’s condemnation of the proposals was so comprehensive and scathing and the scheme breached so many policies of the UDP and PPG that the odds must be against a successful appeal.

The council’s official decision notice, published a few days after the planning meeting, says the scheme breaks ten UDP policies and two items of PPG. It adds that the proposed development:

– has “an unbalanced and detrimental relationship with the established urban fabric of the area;”

– is “visually obtrusive…to the detriment of the adjacent Grade II listed buildings;”

– is “out of keeping with its historic surroundings;”

– “fails to preserve or enhance the character and appearance of the West Greenwich Conservation Area and has an adverse effect on the Maritime Greenwich World Heritage site in which it is located;”

– would cause “the overdevelopment of the site and…adversely affect the existing patterns of development;”

– “is considered to lead to ‘town cramming’;”

– “fails to safeguard the integrity of adjoining properties;”

– shows “a low quality of design for the covered roof and a poor environment;”

– would cause “an increased sense of enclosure and loss of outlook detrimental to the residential amenities presently enjoyed by the adjoining residential properties;”

– would “impact on the free flow of traffic;” and

– would “result in additional congestion and obstruction on the local highway to the detriment of pedestrian and highway safety.”

That is some smackdown, folks. They found some arguments that even I didn’t think of!

What about option 2, making some revisions to the existing Hopkins blueprint and coming back in a few months? This seems unlikely to find favour, either: from the tone of its decision, the council will accept nothing less than major changes – which the Hospital probably can’t afford to make. The Hospital’s spokesman, David McFarlane, is surprisingly frank when I call him: “Proposing a smaller scheme will affect the viability and the viability was always incredibly tight,” he said.

When (in 2006) the Hospital first tried to sneak through the Hopkins scheme, in secret, it caused an outcry and forced a retreat. But instead of changing the scheme in any significant way, they just changed the PR strategy, embarking on their effort to win over “key stakeholders” with a lot of meetings and a few relatively minor changes to the design.

Now that strategy has completely failed. Those “key stakeholders,” such as Nick Raynsford MP and the Greenwich Society, have been revealed as not, in fact, “key” at all – but as totally irrelevant. The Hospital has spent – wasted – vast amounts of money printing glossy leaflets, buttering up local worthies and buying out leases. But it is now clear that the only “stakeholders” who matter are the public, the market traders and the council, and it is these the Hospital must satisfy.

With the Hospital’s whole work of the last three years in ruins, now is the time for a radical rethink. It is time for Greenwich Hospital to recognise that the Hopkins blueprint is dead and that no amount of cosmetic tinkering can bring it back to life.

After they have accepted this, there are two possible courses the Hospital could take. The first is to work with the community and the market traders – the real community and all the market traders, that is, rather than the ersatz “consultation” apparatus of self-appointed amenity groups and hand-picked trader representatives – to come up with a new design that all are happy with. This new blueprint should preserve the market’s heritage ambience, support its varied tenant mix and respect its human scale. It should not be sweeping, “iconic,” or grandiose.

The second option, which might well also be the economically sensible choice, is simply to refresh the existing fabric. Perhaps clean the roof; perhaps do something about the tackiness of the central streets, which to my mind are a far more pressing problem than the market. But for the market itself, modest change is all that’s needed. And if the Hospital doesn’t accept that, maybe it’s time to think about changing the Hospital.

Filed Under: Andrew Gilligan Tagged With: Greenwich Market

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